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Curled toe paralysis. Riboflavin & Selenium deficiency in poultry. Codornices riboflavina Cailles

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A non-organic purchased chick is only as healthy as its egg and if the parent had deficiencies, it will have passed them on. Living with us, having an active life, these problems often show in the first few weeks. Purchased adult quail, suddenly with more space and freedom to fly and run can also use up nutrient reserves before getting up to speed on a new diet. Here I share what I do to remedy this. Written article - http://holistic-hen.blogspot.fr/2015/09/identification-of-riboflavin-deficiency.html#.Ve2wz-SlilN Un polluelo comprado no orgánica es tan saludable como su huevo y si el madre tiene deficiencias, estos serán pasados a los polluelos. Vivir con nosotros, tener una vida activa, estos problemas suelen mostrar en las primeras semanas. Codornices adulto comprada, que anteriormente vivían en jaulas, ahora con más espacio y libertad para volar y correr, también puede utilizar las reservas de nutrientes antes de levantarse a la velocidad en una nueva dieta. Aquí comparto lo que tengo que hacer para remediar esto. http://holistic-hen.blogspot.fr/2015/09/identification-of-riboflavin-deficiency.html#.Ve2wz-SlilN Un poussin acheté non bio est en aussi bonne santé que leur œuf et si la mère est déficiente, ce sera transmise aux poussins. Vivre avec nous, avoir une vie active, ces problèmes apparaissent habituellement dans les premières semaines. Cailles adulte achetées, qui vivaient avant dans des cages, vont se trouver chez nous avec plus d'espace et de liberté de voler et courir, peut également utiliser les réserves nutritives avant de se lever à la vitesse sur un nouveau régime. Ici, je partage ce que je dois faire pour y remédier. http://holistic-hen.blogspot.fr/2015/09/identification-of-riboflavin-deficiency.html#.Ve2wz-SlilN
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Allison Thorson (8 days ago)
Your mention of marmite just gave me hope. We have a ton of it here. I just sent my boyfriend out for some. I have been worried sick all day. My baby goes from being just fine to not wanting to stand up at all. She is trying to walk a little bit and can manage some on the joints of her legs. But her toes of course are starting to really curl and finally I found something on this.. Hopefully this works. Of course the internet is giving me super worse case scenarios and not giving me much help at all. Thank you so much
+Allison Thorson Hi Allison, you are very welcome and I am so happy your chick is doing well. I would think about raising or cultivating some invertebrates for your chick because they have great level of all the B vitamins (except folate , Vitamin B9, which they can get from green leafy vegetables or grass) and the important amino acid L-methionine and it is much easier for a bird to assimilate and regulate its own levels through food. I found my quail will shout out for protein when they don't get enough - literally they will not eat their sprouted grain and vegetables and start to scream at me and I know I need to go to the compost heap or to my meal worm 'farm' and get them some supplies. I have my quail in a greenhouse and it is deep in leafmould and planted areas so they can find their own invertebrates but this time of year everything is in short supply so I have to bring in more in. You can see my set up here if you are interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy8QDN3o_g0&t=2s All the very best from a rather chilly day in Normandie, Sue
Allison Thorson (16 hours ago)
+Pavlovafowl - Organic Forest Garden Poultry Thank you so much for your reply! She is so much better. Probably better than before. Her feathers are all coming out and she's growing. The marmite was pretty much an instant pick-me-up. I couldn't believe it. It tends to be very high in salt content so obviously I only gave her small bits until I could get a vitamin formula to put in her water from my pet store. You saved me so much stress and grief, thank you so much :)
Hi Allison, I only just found your comment, so hope everything went well. B vitamins are crucial for birds and with a baby then if the parent was deficient then the egg will be. Once it starts to move and use energy then if it can't top up on the riboflavin fast enough then it quickly start to go down hill but the recovery is just as quick. Food is so important and still people don't understand and immediately think their bird has some fatal disease. With quail and their high basal metabolism the results of getting that crucial vitamin or mineral or amino acid into them is astounding. All the very best from Normandie and you can also find more information on my blog if you are interested: https://holistic-hen.blogspot.com/ Sue
Evie Eskins (1 year ago)
Hiya Sue, my 2 month old silver sebright hen has recently been suffering with what looks like a paralysed right leg/foot and she also can't use her wings properly. Her right foot is curled but she's now been trying to stand up but flops over when she tries to walk. Any ideas on how I could help her? By the way your videos are really wonderful and helpful x
Evie Eskins (10 months ago)
Pavlovafowl - Organic Forest Garden Poultry Thank you for the help and advice Sue, my Sebright has fully recovered from when I spoke to you (took her 3 weeks to fully recover). She's now running around with her sister as normal and very happy. Thank you so much x
Evie Eskins (1 year ago)
Pavlovafowl - Organic Forest Garden Poultry Thank you very much, I will do! Sebrights are my favourite too, lovely chickens
Daisy might need some extra vitamin B12 and Methionine, which she can get from boiled egg and /or invertebrate protein as she maybe has put all her energy into feather growth before the cold weather. Yes, Sebright eggs are only fertile in warmer weather so they tend to be late hatches, which means they are hard pressed to get all their feathers in time. I have had many late hatches of chicks this year, mainly Polish and Cochin and mixes but I can still see some of the original Sebright qualities too. Although still with mothers so reasonably assured of help in finding wild protein and forage, they are still not all fully feathered. We have had a really bad Summer, wet and cold and also our usual Indian Summer in September didn't materialise until October so I have hens going broody again and a neighbour saw fox cubs yesterday! I love Sebrights, they are one of my favourite breeds, Sneezy my last silver Sebright could easily fit in the palm of my hand. Give our regards to Stroud and all the very best, Sue
Evie Eskins (1 year ago)
Pavlovafowl - Organic Forest Garden Poultry Awh thank you very much Sue. I don't live far from Stroud acctully, I bought Daisy (the sebright) from an assured breeder and I've seen her parents. I have daisys sister too who is perfectly fine, they were only hatched in the summer so probably down to cold weather. Her sister on the other hand is much larger than she is so probably a little hardier than daisy as she's a very small sebright but lovely natured. I have a golden male and female too who live with them just a little older than my silvers.
Hi Evie, I know the Cotswolds pretty well, we used to live in Warwick but do our main shop (every month or so) in Stroud as it had, at that time the best organic provision. Plus we could stop and go walking too! Did you buy your Sebright or is she one of your home-raised? You probably know that Sir John Sebright never revealed the exact parentage of his creation, so all the Sebrights come from the original very small gene pool and are always bred for the hen-feathering, which to my mind would preclude high fertility so make the relationships between birds even closer. I know when I bought some Sebright hatching eggs, years ago they came from a completely closed system and I had health issues with them although they were beautiful birds and great personalities. The other thing is Sebrights suffer badly from cold weather, so they can get cold stress, even though in some of my films you'll see Sneezy and other of my Sebrights in snow! Again I have information on my blog on how to identify and deal with this. If the condition has come on suddenly, it may be down to cold, just changes in weather can trigger this in sensitive birds. Good luck and a big hug to your Sebright Sue x
Kelly Troup (1 year ago)
Hi Sue, I have a bantam silkie chick that has been having leg problems (4 weeks old) and I was reading about the b2 deficiency and ended up going to the store and giving her injections of these b vitamins...she is no worse but does not seem to be getting much better. Any other ideas would be helpful. Thank you so much...great video
Hi Kelly, Do you know if the riboflavin in the injection was natural or synthetic because synthetic vitamins need to be converted by the body to their natural form and there are also losses and residues. I would therefore try just to use B2 vitamin rich foods. Selenium deficiency again will cause leg problems, so a little (very little) grated Brazil nut works for this I would just grate the end of the nut and take one or two curls of gratings and feed that once a day for a couple of days. I would also think about B12 and B9 (cobalamin and folate) does your bird get plenty of wild invertebrate protein and green leafy vegetables and more importantly, if she is part of a flock is she getting her fair share? She may also therefore be under stress which will further deplete nutrients. Chicks in a large brood or mixed flock can sometimes be elbowed out of their fair shares at mealtimes, so I would hand-feed her. I would also take her off grain, in particular if you feed it dry, as it contains a high level of phytic acid which depletes or causes malabsorption of many vitamins. You can also cover virtually all the B complex vitamins by feeding boiled or poached egg (organic and pastured for preference) and if you add leafy greens then you'll have everything covered. I would also make sure she is getting enough fats (again egg or wild invertebrates are both good sources of fat) and a good share of UVB (short shadow) sunlight to make vitamin D3, which like selenium and B complex vitamins are essential for optimum motor and nervous system function. Have a look at my article on these and other deficiencies - I give details of what to look for and recommended foods: https://holistic-hen.blogspot.fr/2016/05/cure-curled-toe-paralysis-in-poultry.html#.WaCJ_DclGkB Hope this is of help. get back to me and let me know how things are going. All the very best, Sue
Kelly Troup (1 year ago)
I have been giving these injections for 5 days now
nitwitblubberodment (2 years ago)
Hi Sue, I'm so glad I found your channel, this is such a useful video. I'm currently raising 3 quail chicks. One had curled up toes when it hatched which I treated with multivitamins and little boots on her feet. To be honest I didn't know it was a deficiency until I watched this video, but I am now looking at more natural cures for them so I think I ought to get some yeast flakes to be on the safe side. Just to be sure I'm getting the right thing, are the nutritional yeast flakes you get from health food shops okay to give to chicks? Thanks you!
+nitwitblubberodment Aaww thanks Rebecca, glad to be of help. Really good luck with your quail I am sure you will do well with them, getting them on a good diet is everything, they just lose all that angst you see in caged and grain-fed quail. All the very best, Sue
nitwitblubberodment (2 years ago)
+Pavlovafowl thanks so much for the speedy reply and the great advice! I've ordered some organic yeast flakes which will hopefully arrive tomorrow. I've been giving them leafy greens like spinach and kale, which they absolutely love, and some sunflower seeds, though I'm not sure how many they actually ate... I think your videos really are wonderful! I love your approach to raising quail organically and hopefully, by following your example, my quail will grow up healthy and strong like yours! Thanks again, Rebecca
+nitwitblubberodment Hi there, You just need to check what is in the nutritional yeast flakes because these are often fortified with another of the B complex vitamins, B12 and this is usually in the form of the synthetic chemical Cynocobalamin, which personally I wouldn't want to be feeding. I just get organic yeast flakes which are simply flakes of wheat and barley, which are high in Riboflavin, Niacin and Thiamine. Unfortunately this is a very common deficiency in game birds but fortunately very easy to cure. You are right that it is better to do it with foods because many vitamin supplements contain the synthetic variant of the vitamin and the bird then has to convert this to the natural form, which it can not do in total and thus is left with residues. You can also feed invertebrate protein, sow bugs (woodlice), compost worms, earwigs etc, which are high in almost all the B vitamins, including B12 and the amino acid methionine. I would also add some leafy green vegetables for folate (B9) and which works in synergy with B12. If all your chicks are from the same parent then the chances are the others will be deficient too so I would feed them these just in case. As with humans some individuals are more predisposed to deficiency, so it may not happen but it will do no harm. Don't forget the selenium from the Brazil nut as well and just a tiny amount, sunflower seeds will cover this as well and they also contain thiamine too, which is another possible deficiency of quail - here is the film I made on that - it takes longer to show up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5MUY0pE-8c but the remedy above for curled toe should cover it. Once they get up to speed foraging for invertebrates, your chicks will be fine, I usually get mine a load of compost from the compost bin - it is full of all kinds of nutritious creatures. Hope this helps and you can check out the blog too if you want to see more photos and explanations. All the very best with your chicks, Sue
imasurvivornthriver (3 years ago)
Good stuff! Thanks for sharing Sue. :-)
+imasurvivornthriver Hi there, hope everything is going well. Thanks and you are most welcome! All the very best, Sue
Coconut Water (3 years ago)
Omg I really want one now they look so cute!! And it's nice of u to help the quail chicks
+JonasX 650 Hi there! Thanks for your comments, much appreciated. They are lovely birds and are a joy to keep. Hope you are able to get some. They often get a bad deal from humans so the more people who love and look after them well, the better! All the very best, Pavlovafowl aka Sue
Gardeninggirl1107 (3 years ago)
Excellent info Sue. I love everything you teach, thank you!
+Gardeninggirl1107 Aaww thanks for those very kind words! All the very best from a sunny morning in Normandie, Sue
noillucS 33 (3 years ago)
Thank you this is very useful to know.
+noillucS 33 You are welcome! I'll try and get the other films up soon and there will also be written articles to accompany them. All the very best from sunny Normandie, Pavlovafowl aka Sue
There is a comprehensive blog post to accompany this film - http://holistic-hen.blogspot.fr/2015/09/identification-of-riboflavin-deficiency.html#.Ve2wz-SlilN All the very best, Pavlovafowl aka Sue #quailnutritionaldeficiencies #riboflavindeficiency #B2deficiency #seleniumdeficiency

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